The Foreman – BBC Top Gear Australia

no gene,i think driving is like holding a baby,if you drop the screamer ,you are in the shit,but most people drive like they are holding a rag doll,so if you drop it,doesnt matter.but it does.

That would explain why Asians and americans are shite drivers…..

I wonder if they did a average I.Q test on the same infirior monkey’s probly show that there level of idiocy know no bounds.

Whether or not it’s genetic, it can’t have anything to do with Mother Nature weeding whatever, because in too many cases, the genetically bad driver walks away from the accident he caused alive, and it’s the person in the other car (who might have been genetically fabulous) who ends up dead.

One would assume that seeing as the study was performed with american test subject that it was conducted by american testers. That would throw even more doubt on the results. Having said that, it wouldn’t surprise me if there was something to this. It would explain why some nationalities are worse drivers than others & why bad driving runs in families.

Annemarie, I tend to agree with your point about the “inferior” walking away & the “genetically fabulous” ending up dead.

I personally don’t think that it is genetic I think that it just comes down to experience and confidence and knowing when you’re just been a f***wit and should back off
My two sisters and I all come from the same mother and father and if tested I’m sure that I would be a better driver because I’m more confident and comfortable behind the wheel (even though I may not always obey the rules)

Not speaking about you personally Flange as I don’t know you but confidence can be a good thing or a bad thing. We have all seen the devestation that over confidence can cause on our roads. Many people think they are better than they truly are & don’t find out what thier limits are until it’s too late. IME there are very few people who can really judge if they are just confident & competent or if they are over confident without the skills to back it up. Unfortunatley for most it is easier to be critical of others rather than honest about ourselves.

Having read your other post Flange I have changed my mind, you are exactly the kind of person that can’t be honest with themselves & suffers from over confidence.

does that mean that if your dad is a good driver you’ll be o-k?

p.s. i agree with conman

My family tree indicates that i am related to Sir Jackie Stewart (true)
As for bad driving genes – well my levis are to tight and i find myself ,er adjusting my position a lot.
what a load of s&^t..

Good heavens black dog, I just ambled over from another post of yours but #10 clears up a lot of things. Seriously though I feel wanking behind the wheel can be just as dangerous as telephoning or texting.
And as for genes, I have always believed there is a Stupid Gene and most accidents are caused by those afflicted by it. You will see it all the time, some 19yo fills a car with friends and proceeds to demolish both car and friends at great speed. A relative will stare down the local news camera and say ” He was always a good and careful driver”.Yes. Right. But is does show which side of the family passed on the gene.

I don’t if that’s a fair comment Ben because in acciedent’s and they are accident’s if they were on prpose they would be called intetional anyway some things are just beyond our control and know it all like youreslf might sit there and say well the static’s say that it was the young man’s fault even if was beyond there control like a kangaroo jumping in front of a in experianced driver they swerve and crash into a tree and the police put it down to speed when a expirenced driver will just try to hold the car in a straight line and hit the brakes and hope they don’t hit the roo so yeah.

Just as I thought, I’m wasting my time at work fixing up those with a genetic pre-disposition to injure themselves. I had thought I might be infected with ‘compassion fatigue’.
Gaia’s weeding out the weak and feeble in society. Throw in a few environmental catastrophes and that should take care of the rest……. (Tongue firmly in cheek)…..

gee earthy,are you saying mother nature is going to do the same thing to us as she did to the dinosaurs?

speedo or should i call you YODA with his head up his arse,deep down i bet you are more worried about getting nailed by a P plater then a pensioner.

On a serious note – When reading a lot of the posts on this and other blogs,when describing there driving style or favotite method of avoiding the unspeakable!-Put simply a lot of you sound like your on a race track all the time!!!-

Anything unpredictable requires a solid defence plan for the unknown!!- Defensive driving!! its not rocket science but it does require some maturity!-And its not something you can teach yourself!! on an industrial estate or in a car park!!!!-

Do a defensive/then a advanced course-if you have ever done one you will know what im on about -if not seriously consider it!
I have done 5 in 25yrs 2 bike 3 car,
Best insurance policy i have ever bought

They should be mandatory along with refresher courses – with gov subsidys based on individuals income.
Life saving knowledge should be as free as possible-
They force all sorts of penaltys on drivers -its time they used some of the zillions they make from it to actually help drivers save thier own lives not invest in better ways to make more money…

I was always taught that if a roo or some such fast moving creature jumps in front of your car, aim straight for it. Chances are it will be gone by the time you get there. Unless it’s too close to your car, in which case braking probably won’t help you avoid it anyway, just soften the impact slightly.

Everyone thinks that they are a better than average driver, which is of course, impossible…
I also suspect that at sometime in our lives we are all somebody else’s “bad driver” too.

I like Black Dog’s idea of driver training, but maybe the insurance companies could provide incentives, the RTA sure won’t.

Speed Demon, it doesn’t take a high IQ to be a good driver, it’s more about spatial awareness, hand/eye/feet coordination etc. Before calling people “infirior monkey’s” you might want to look at your own punctuation, grammar and spelling. It might help get your message understood.

I like Black Dog’s training & incentive ideas. I’ve done two of each defensive & advanced driving courses & they are by far the best insurance policy money can buy. I think the courses should be mandatory before you can sit the practical driving test & I think having at least a level 1 St. Johns First Aid Certificate should be mandatory before eligibility for the practical test is granted.

I know I’ve been other peoples bad driver on a few occasions I’m aware of & probably a few I’m not aware of too. We all have at some stage in our driving careers & to think anything else is just lying to yourself.

Spandua i can’t disagree with that if a pensioner cleaned me up at least i might have some chance bcause they would be going so slow.

The YODA comment was halerious you should seriously think of taking up Stand at least on the week end’s unless your not trying to be funny and in that case it is only more funny.

Another good point Canberra Reader although i have never really claimed to be smarter than the Average monkey just the retarded ones.

Interesting post, Mr Corby. Thanks for the effort.
I’ve just finished reading a book by Nick Tasler, titled The Impulse Factor.
I think it has something to do with your gene factor research.
Basically, what Mr Nick supposes is. . . .
If I approached you in the street, and offered you a one-week holiday in France or a toss-of-a-coin, heads-or-tails choice. If you win the toss of the coin you win 4 weeks holiday in France, if you lose nothing. OR YOU CAN TAKE THE ONE WEEK. No toss!
Now, according to Mr Nick, this experiment has been tried out on various age groups, various ethnic mixes, different times, different places. According to his figures, roughly 75 per cent of the time, people choose the safe option. Faced with nothing, they choose the one week holiday, or the $1000 prize, or whatever, over nothing.
BUT
and this is the BIG BUTT (apologies Serena Williams and her fans),
25% of PEOPLE CHOOSE TO GAMBLE!
A quarter of people choose to lay it all on the line, and gamble to win maybe a lot more!

Now, I choose to compress a 256-page book that was really pretty boring, and didn’t teach me really very much.
But it is interesting to think, that maybe up to 1/4 of the population on our crazy earth, will risk ‘everything’, for a ‘greater’ outcome! Whether it be in driving, gambling, life choices, whatever.
These people are basically hard-wired to risk it for
Faced with nothing, they choose

With not much to comment about this I can only say if you happen to be driving at night in roo country and one hops in from the side do not brake. They are trying to get behind your lights so speed up if anything. There you go Annemarie – surely that will help you sometime…

Regarding the gene bizzo – I can only suggest the ‘vague’ gene would help with vehicle accidents. And possibly the drink/drug drive idiot gene..

Hi benny.

Hi KT.

I used to think kangaroos were pretty boring and silly.
But then I was held captive in a Tasmanian tour-bus last April, and survived. . . . oNly to be shown a dvd-video at dusk, on the return home, showing how kangaroos don’t really care about anything except that growling feeling in their nuts, that makes them hop across valley after valley, in search of some horny female kangaroo or another. Regardless of danger or other, just so they can show that they’re the hottest hip=hop kangaroo in their valley.
Oh ho ho by golley, I hope I dont hit any of them in my truck now. . . . . .

Hmm, Lil’ Bits, I don’t think it’s as simple as that. I’m an extremely cautious person, always ready to recognize danger that really isn’t there, and I would’ve gone for option two. Not because I’m a gambler, but because I don’t like flying, and if I’m gonna get on a plane from Australia to anywhere, it’ll have to be for more than a week’s holiday. So either I get nothing, which means I don’t have to get on a plane (= gain), or I win, which means a longer holiday (= gain).

Of course, being European, I’ll just hop on a train or get into my car if I want to go to France!
Ah, some days you just can’t lose, can ya…

And KT, like most people, I KNOW what to do when a roo hops in front, but the problem is, what will my REFLEXES do if that happens. Instinctively, everyone hits the breaks when something unexpected jumps out of the bush. The outcome depends on how quickly you get back in charge of your wit.

Bens, I bet that dvd was made by a female involved in a bitter divorce procedure…

ok Annemarie, presuming the surveyers were in east europe, they probably wouldnt have offered a holiday in France. They’d offer a more enticing, more far-flung exotic destination, say Iceland or Australia.
Or say they offered $1000 or $4000.
Same outcome, 75 % play it safe. BUT 25% RISK EVERYTHING!

ps. annemarie comment.26, you’re not involved in a bitter divorce procedure youself, I hope? But if you are, in the dvd, the female kangaroo when faced with the prospect of a weak partner, grabbed the partner by the head and twisted, every so forcibly. Until the said partner was unable to make 75/25 per cent decisions anymore. . . . .
Then the female kangaroo hopped across the valley, via several busy highways, to the next valley. Where a new, large and robust male kangaroo beat it’s chest and made grunting noises at it.

It was quite fascinating. I can tell you.

i saw that film also little one,the donkey part was the best bit .

annie do you want me to bring some kangaroo nuts when i come to the eurovision,its a traditional bush tucker,

Sounds good, Spandau. Have fun at customs!

Have you seen man vs Wild the guy drink’s his own pee and eats bug’s what a nut. crazy as a cocunt.

YODA,thats my favorite show,and YODA what ta hell is a cocunt?

annie,gee thanks,yes the”cavity examination”

IT GROWS ON A COCUNT TREE AND HURTS ALOT IF IT FALLS ON YOUR HEAD ALSO YOU CAN EAT IT AND IT HAS MILK IN IT.

so its a cow.

Yeah Spandua it’s a Cow.

I thought the cocunut was what was left after you stole the roos testes!!

You eat roo’s testes?

Speed Demon, we have been making fun of you because you spelt coconut wrong. Havn’t tried testes yet but I suppose if I was starving in the bush I would give it a go. After I had eaten the rest of the roo first.

Oh i thought you might have been a bit slow upstairs or somthing but i’m not a english teacher so i don’t really care about spelling.

Posts 32 to 41
Thanks – that’s the best lough iv had today!

Oh bloody hell – I agree black dog, especially comment 35. hahahah

friggin hell speed demon.LMAO so funny post 35 been depressed for while needed a good laugh.hi black dog

YODA i entered us as contestants in the sydney comedy festival,yoda and spandau no spandau and speedo,the driving comedy duo,we might end up with our own motoring tv show.

I can see that!!

On a completely unrealted topic which oil does the top gear comunity recomend i use Castrol Magentech i find that does all the thing’s i want in oil but i am just curious as to what you all think is the best.

I can see that this blog has died so it’s time to talk about somthing new.

YODA after owning many cars i found that it doesnt matter what the brand or quality oil you use,the engine still wears at the same rate,but you should use the proper grade,like if the car is new use 5/30w at 50000km change to 10/30 100000 km 15/50 200000km use 25/60w.

I will dispute that all week Spandau. Castrol oils are well known to cause engine wear. I have had vehicles that have gone in for service, Castrol oil has been put in despite reassurances that it would be the oil I had supplied. Within 10k’s of the mechanics, the car stops & dies. Towed home, changed the oil back to the Helix that I use. 5mins later car was running fine again. I know this has happened on at least two occasions to myself, at least another to to my dad & several times to various mates. If it’s not the oil, then it must be the biggest coincedence in the universe.

Speed Demon, I have a problem with Magnatec especially. For something to be magnetised, it has to contain metal. Metal ain’t good for the inside of your engine. Save yourself a bundle & switch to something that doesn’t contain microscopic metal particals.

“another two to my dad”. Sorry.

connie the only way an oil can stop an engine is if you filled the whole engine with oil ,as for the magnatec,i think they are polimer particles.

VL Calais 5.0lt. 4.4lt of oil drained from the engine. Precisly the same amount as I put back in it myself. Even the mechanic that did the original oil change admitted that it had to be the oil as there was absolutley nothing else it could possibly be. As a one off someone pouring a ridiculous amount of oil in will do it. Need quite abit of work to clean the engine back up to. How do you explain it happening to so many people & no cleaning of heads, plugs or anything else needing to be done? Or that the engines did not blow smoke after the bad oil was changed back out? Which an overfilled engine will do, even after it has been drained & thouroghly cleaned.

if you put too much oil in ,you dont have to clean it,you just drain some out,connie, are you and your mechanic special needs people?

Hmm i might have to do some reserch on the oil i use. I certinly haven’t had any problem’s with it my neighbour who is a ex desil mechanic swears by it.

He did tell me however if you use Synthetic oil and switch back over to non-synthetic your car will very much disprove of this so if you use non-synthetic then switch to synthetic you can’t switch back.

I have had a look for problem’s with Castrol oil’s people have had, i can’t find any i think Conman you just had a apprentice work on you car and maybe what spandua said isn’t that far from the truth maybe he forgot to empty out the old oil or somthing like that.

Whatever. You guys are entitled to your opinions. I know the facts, so it doesn’t bother me.

I don’t know for sure, but perhaps adding mineral based oil to synthetic could cause co-agulation and therfore increase the risk of increased hydraulic pressure????

if you read the label on the oil container of a synthetic oil, it should say” will mix with mineral oils”,the shell helix synthetic does.the new diesels need an ashless synthetic oil because of the particular filter,but petrol cars can use anything,and the manufactures want people to use thin oil such as 5/30 to get better fuel economy.

Spandau Tango, sure you can not clean the engine & blow smoke all over the place, If your mentally deficient. Don’t believe everything you read on the oil label or what your mate down the pub tells you. Chances are it’s crap. Just like you don’t have to believe me either but I will say that though I’m not a qualified mechanic, I have been working on motors since I was 5yrs old. I’m 33 now. My old man is a qualified mechanic, as are most of his mates. They are my teachers. They agree with what I have to say. I think they probably know better than any of us do.

the information they are feeding you might be about 10 years out of date,those are the type of mechanics i realy worry about,i bet they would put 20/50 in to the latest model merc diesel.

Spandex I like you and your usually funny comments. But people who think they know everything are I really worry about.

re oils, all I know is that Valvoline and other base line mineral oils usually work ok, though in an older engine that has a bit of blow-by mineral oils can be a bit smelly.

Big trucks often use a mineral oil for the first 100,000 km, and then semi-synthetic or synthetic from there on. Of course they’re doing 1 million km before the first rebuild too.

I’ve heard many times that Penrite makes good oils, but I’ve not used it myself.

Mobil 1 has been around for a ling long time, as one of the original fully synthetic oils. Expensive as f&ck, but it must be good to have survived on the market for so long?

Spandau Tango, you do seem to be suffering from a case of serious know it all disease at the moment. Do you have any kind af actual experience or have you done an apprenticeship in motor mechanics? The people I listen to & have learnt from still work in the industry, one of them actually works withing the HRT organisation, so I wouldn’t be so quick to judge what they do or don’t know if I were you. As I said before though, if you don’t want to listen, that’s fine. It really isn’t my problem. I would advise you to go see a doctor about your know it all disease though. Ask the doctor if he can remove your head from your backside while your there. It might help you open your eyes & ears & realise that what is written on a bottle is for marketing only & 99% of “facts” that are on the net are just BS. If you want to believe that rubbish instead of learning the facts from people with real world experience that is your problem. What’s on the bottle is simply to try to sell the product. It seems to be working on you.

Little Bits, you have summed up oils fairly well there. There isn’t a huge amount of difference between most mineral oils but Valvoline & Penrite are particularly good. Mobil 1 is fantastic IMO. I used it in my Clubsport for about 6yrs, did some 300,000kms on top of the 100,000 already on the clock when I got it. Pulled the engine down to make some mods & everything was still like new. Probably would have got another 300,000 out of it easily.

thanks for your concern ,i took your advise and i just got back from the doctors,he said there was a lot of it going around,and when we discussed the labels on bottles,he agreed with you guys 100%,he then just handed me a small container of panadols and sent me home,when i got home i read the label on the jar of pills and it said viagra,and now i have to put the seat right back and i cant reach the pedals.thanks again.

I’ve used Penrite on my first car it’s has a highe viscosity then the other oil’s but cost’s about twice the amount.

Ha that was actully kind of funny Spandua maybe the title of YODA belongs to you now (i shuv this light saber up your ass i will mmmm).

YODA i am your master of oils,you have to look at the label on the bottle,if it has 25/60 on it ,its high viscosity,if it says5/30 its low viscosity,penrite has heaps of different viscosity oils,you should use 5/50 mobil one in your lancer.im sorry but guys seem to be oil retards,just ask me and i will tell all you need to know about oil.

You don’t know anything about motor oil Spandau Tango. Your so far off the mark with your rubbish that it is ridiculous. Your being a bully. You think your some kind of oil god but I think all you know about oil is that it makes things not hurst so much when you jam them up your clacker. Get stuffed.

Not hurt so much. Typing fast coz you have given me the tom tits you ego maniac.

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everything iv said is 100% correct,prove me wrong bullshit mouth.

Why bother? Your head is so far up your own lubricated behind that you won’t pay heed to anything anyone else has to say & your too arrogant to think you can learn anything from anyone. You never ever agree with anything anyone has had to say about anything in any blog. All your ever doing is talking complete crap & insulting people looking for an argument. If your too stupid to know that you learn by listening to others, then why should I waste my time on you? I repeat. Get stuffed. I’m done with this you on this topic. You arn’t worth my time. I have experience, facts & a friend in the HRT garage. You have the side of a bottle & internet BS.

you are an evil and a nasty person with no self control,you are a danger to every one around you.

connie we all agreed to control uncontrolled anger,you really should apoligise to all the children and women that read these posts.

span tang lets get over looking after kids reading this of which there would be NONE!

Any chance you guys can get over your anger, change the topic and talk sex in cars? Have you ever done a really squeezie but kinda fun time in a Torana? Or are you too young and a Barina is the best you’ve had? Sorry Corby I can’t help myself..

I love the fact that you guys are so into your cars and I’ve learnt loads about oil etc for my Madaz but surely you’ve got some good memories from your car as well..?

pull YOUR head in conman we all have to abide by topgears rules and if we dont posts will be pulled.we were all warned about insults and the like on this site.NOT TO DO IT.SO DON’T DO IT.

Well KT, at least you made an effort to stay on the general topic of lubricants…

Get knotted. I won’t be apologising for giving back the same kind of treatment I have recieved. Spandau Tango is th eone that started insulting me whan he asked if I was “special needs”. Someone starts on me, they can expect to get the same treatment back. Tough s#@t for you if you don’t like it.

Grow up the both of you. Are you adults ot Yr6 schoolkids? You may well both be right, or both wrong, but I really don’t think anyone else cares about your arguments.

I’ll happily give you something to whinge about if you’re not careful!!!!

And here it is………………

Death and injury on the roads is the world’s most neglected public health issue. Almost as many people die in road accidents – 1.2 million a year – as are killed by malaria or tuberculosis. Around 50 million are injured. Some 85% of these accidents take place in developing countries. The poor get hurt much more often than the rich, as they walk or cycle or travel in overloaded buses. The highest death rate is among children walking on the roads(1).

The annual economic cost to developing countries, in lost productivity alone, is $65-100bn: roughly the same as the amount they receive in foreign aid(2). I caught a glimpse of the human cost when I was hospitalised in northern Kenya. Some of the men on the ward had bullet or axe wounds inflicted in tribal wars; others were dying of AIDS; but over half the patients had been smashed up in road accidents. They could not afford good painkillers, and sobbed and screamed through the night. It looked like a scene from the First World War.

The problem is likely to become much worse. By 2020, according to the World Bank, deaths from road accidents are likely to fall by 28% in rich nations, but to rise by 83% in poorer ones(3). By 2030, they will overtake the deaths caused by malaria(4). But while $1.9bn of foreign aid will be spent on tackling malaria over the next five years, the annual global aid budget for road safety is less than $10m(5).
This issue has been neglected partly because it is something the rich inflict on the poor, and partly because it is widely perceived as an unavoidable price of doing business: as the global transportation industry expands, so must its human costs. Governments are just beginning to wake up to the problem.

Earth Lover, what the World Bank fails to recognize is that by 2020, the rich nations will be poor and the poor nations rich, and in ten years time, neither is likely to lose or develop their driving skills dramatically, so I don’t see that happening just yet.

Do you have friends? At all, I mean?

im sorry i learnt about engine oil now,YODA is also partly to blame for the friction,he started the lubrication blog.

Hey pick on the guy who has 20minutes to do some blogging before work i picked a topic because i don’t know how to create a blog myself this one had been run into the ground ect

if you want to talk about somthing else pick a topic i choose oil because everyone has a diffrent opinion on it for various reasons.

I have some very close friends thanks Annie. What was your point exactly? Way too much passive aggressiveness….

earthy,annie has a wicked sence of humour.

earthy ,why isnt there a electric bicycle that charges it self, like,with a small solar panel and the braking and downhill charging system along with a dynamo.

With the way you lot carry on, is it any wonder that anyone serious about thier cars does not come here? Your all hillbillys that wouldn’t know a good car if it hit you.
That said, it’s back to a real motoring site for me.

china is full of electric bicycles but they all charge of the mains power.

f off connie

Bloody hell, it’s like “Lord of the Flies” around here isn’t it?

Please, won’t one of the adults from Top Gear start a new thread before Earth Lager bores us all into a coma?

Lancer1-you call yourself a car fan with that name!! or is that the first car you got on your ps??
as for the rest of us
We are the car worlds noisy minority-we are all experts (just ask us)
Well dont ask earthy-cause the reply will be longer than war@peace.

dear canberra reader earth loser contributes crap all the time, apparently he is also a doctor in case you wanted to know, thats why i just read this crap and dont contribute much anymore cause as you can see we aint talking about genetics or driving, its all about oil there for a bit, but dont get earth loser started on co2 cause he will continue to bore the crap out of us again in this and another blog, come on earth loser i know you want to reply,see you all when im reading the blogs again.

It’s the car that I race Black Dog. Very succesfully. Chances are, you have watched me racing on TV. All I ever see on this site is a bunch of noisey idiots that talk about everything but cars. Your all experts at being stupid. That’s why I stick to real car sites. Admitadly you are one of the more intelligent ones on the site BD, that remains on topic for the most part but I wouldn’t go defending anyone on here. If you doubt what I say, just start at post 1 on any of the blogs & see how long it takes for the garbage to start rolling out of peoples mouths. Then you will know why these will be the only two posts I ever write for this site.

ps alfas are crap cars too earthy.

Ok i’ve decided i will check on new blogs from time to time and make a post here and there but i was looking for a new blog site i found wheels they seem to update the site a little more frequently i hope to see Conman over there scince he knows what he’s talking about

For the record i did want to stay out of this you guy’s started the fight with him Spandua in particluiar he finished it but the way i see it you bullied him he defended himself and you lost so to bad if you don’t like it.

Oh and by the way i’m not Conman so don’t bother asking although Crazy Stuntsman is a friend of mine but he’s not actully crazy and he’s not super rich and he doesn’t have a butt load of cars he was just saying those thing’s to get you rilled up. He is actual quiet a nanna when he started driving.

LJC i like your thinking.

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BAHAHAHAA THIS IS SO FUNNY READING UR PATHETIC ARGUMENTS HAHAHAHAHA!!!

I don’t bite LJC. Waiting for the next topic to be honest. This ones gone lame.

well conman your just as bad then.your a grown man acting like a high school boy.

Are you a writer? Would you ever consider guest posting on one of my blogs? Nicely done, Steven.

post 104,you must be super inteligent or super dumpster,what ta hell are you rattling about,and who are you talking to,whats with with the ridiculous name,are you p##st?

Earthy, how’s your wife doing?

Thanks Annemarie, she and the babies are just fine. Gave us a scare though. Few more weeks in the oven yet…