To hell and Bathurst

Posted by Stephen Corby at 5:28 pm on Wednesday October 7, 2009

GYI0050800158.jpgWar correspondents love to lord it over merely mundane journalists. They have their photos taken as often as possible while wearing flak jackets and camouflaged Stackhats. They drink hard liquor, straight, with ever-so-slightly shaky hands and, without any actual provocation at all they’ll let you force them into discussing danger and courage under filing.

Pah. I say again, pah.

Real danger, real fear, is something that can be experienced without leaving these fair shores. Indeed, it’s not even that far from TG Towers in Sydney.

Once a year a bashful town called Bathurst becomes possibly the scariest, outlawiest town outside of the United States of Gun Ownership. I’ve been there, man, and I survived. Just. But it’s still the only place people have ever spat at me, en masse, believe it or not. When I returned, the first time, from the temporary capital city of neanderthal nation I immediately contacted the folk at CSIRO and suggested they plan a field trip for the following year. For decades, archeologists have searched for the missing link between primates and primitive man, and yet here it was, all the time, mocking them by getting together for a festivus of motorsport every October.

Now, before I offend more people I should point out that I’m not referring to the entire crowd who turn out for The Big Race. Indeed, last time I went I enjoyed myself enormously, merely by avoiding the high points where the low lifes gather, for it is only at the top of Mt Panorama where the trouble happens. The surly on the mount make it their mission to destroy themselves, and then everything else they can get their large-knuckled hands on.

Couches are burned, then chairs, small animals, trees and finally cars. Mere burnouts and boozing are the proviso of Summernats, this is far, far more colourful.
At night, when the beasts really start howling at the moon, it resembles a war scene – fireworks explode overhead, people scream, smoke rises from dozens of fires and, if there’s rain, people crawl around in mud and their own filth, happy as pigs.

I once tried to drive a Jeep Cherokee up to the mountain, to see what all the fuss was about, and it didn’t go well. Despite the mumsy nature of my car, I was stopped my phalanx of folkwits who crowded around the Jeep, demanding that I do a burnout. When I pointed out that this was absurd and that the car wasn’t mine, I was booed. Then they picked up the back of the car and started rocking it. Then they spat all over the windows, windscreen, roof, you name it. All this despite my having a mate in the passenger seat who’s roughly the size of a football mascot, only much harder. How we got back down the mountain in one, unburnt piece is still beyond me.

A few years later, I even went back, for work, accompanied  by an incredibly brave/foolish PR woman, which made her the only female within two square kilometres. No ne spat on me, but it’s fair to say I still didn’t enjoy myself.

So, this year, I’m sending someone else. A young, enthusiastic fellow who’s never been to a V8 Supercar race in his life. And we’re making him camp on The Hill. And we’re sending him up there in a bright yellow Mini Cabrio, and a top hat and tails. Probably. He thinks he’s “going to the races”, you see, and he’s a bit simple.

You might think I don’t like him, but I do, it’s just that humour is hard work, sometimes. And I don’t fancy doing it.

So, if you’ve got any advice you’d like to give this young lad, name of Chesto (and currently employed as web editor of this fine site, he may still be if he gets back alive), please send it in, and I’ll consider passing it on.

He doesn’t have much time left.

  1. Bushby_23 said...
    Wednesday October 7, 2009 at 7:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    TAKE A GUN!!! Ive been to Bathurst once (the 2005 race), and it wasnt bad. I slept in the campsite near the first corner, and the bottom of the track is generally well behaved. when I took the busride to the top though, that perception changed. Bogans everywhere, if there wasnt a beer can on the ground, you would have been lucky. Luckily, all I did at the top was walk beside the track to see how if all ducked rose and what have you, had some luch, and promptly caught the bus back down to a more civilised area. Chesto, WATCH OUT!!!

  2. Speed Demon said...
    Wednesday October 7, 2009 at 8:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Chesto ignore what the other’s have told you to go up in go up in a old run down commodore bogan black jean’s and flanelet shirt take a 1 litre blottle of jacks some coke a cola and a glass a sleeping bag and have a blast show them if you can’t beat em join em hey as they do when in rome they did that on the chasers the romans had no idea what was going on though.

  3. spandau tango said...
    Wednesday October 7, 2009 at 9:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    chesto,be carefull ,i saw a pretty boy come up the mountain one year,,he was sent back down with some vb cans zip tied to his testicles.

  4. black dog said...
    Wednesday October 7, 2009 at 9:54 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Noo not in a little yellow anything-Corby are you trying to scar the kid for life??

  5. justrhysism said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 2:12 am Link to comment Report comment

    You’re not really going to do that to him Corby? Really?? Dear god… he’ll be killed! It’ll be worse than the time Clarkson and the boys wrote slogans on each other’s cars on their USA trip! The mere thought of anything small and yellow would greatly offend the bogans on the hill, let alone shoving it in their faces with top and tails!

    Chesto I suggest taking a few shots of concrete. Brave, brave man.

    I once went up there to watch the top 10 shoot out, and my god I felt very unsafe. Have never felt so relieved coming back to civilisation near pit straight.

  6. Big Si said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 5:32 am Link to comment Report comment

    dude, drive to bathurst like its the last drive youll ever have, stop at the local bottleO pick up a six pack ( thats all your allowed ) then head for the camp ground.
    Don your holden gear, ditch the mini and hire a v8….. do the biggest burnout you can muster and you will be accepted into the moutnain fold.
    its that easy… I did it last year and Im a kiwi so i kinda stand out.

  7. Canberra Reader said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    In the eyes of a drunken yob, a bright yellow Mini looks exactly like a urinal cake. So I suggest taking wet weather gear… and goggles… and a squeegee.

    Of course the Mini has the top down timer, there should be extra rewards for clocking up 24 hrs with the roof down.

  8. Stephen Corby said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to comment Report comment

    I love that, yes, we will measure the top down time carefully, particularly if, as I predict, it snows up there. And a urinal cake, so true. I hear they’re only allowed one case each per person per day this year, so they’ll barely get drunk.

  9. bogan said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 10:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    come up here in a yellow thingymabop,drive home in a mountain survivor,good luck buddy we,ll be looking for ya HOLDEN FAN.

  10. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 12:50 pm Link to comment Report comment

    One tip for smuggling booze for you mountain folk pre mix coke a cola pore out some of the coke and put jack’s in it kinda hard to get the right mix but that doesn’t matter no one is going to check that and you can tell them to get lost if they do rember pre mix in a 2litre coke bottle can’t go wrong done it myself before and worked like a charm.

  11. nos said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    those bogans on the hill should be allowed as much beer and angry juice as they want so they either get too drunk and pass out or bash each other into oblivion. Can’t stand bogans, and will never quite get fully excited over V8 supercars as long as it is a two make race..

  12. ColdFusion said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 3:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If you really want to get the crowds mad, simply wear a Nissan GT-R t-shirt. Every Ford and Holden fan was spitting angry when the Gibson Motorsports Nissan R32 GT-R driven by Richards and Skaife won the Bathurst event in 1992, and they don’t easily forget things like that. If you wear clothing that advertises anything GT-R or even Japanese, pray you’ll survive to even get through the gates.

  13. nos said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 3:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    that R32 was a beast

  14. Bushby_23 said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 4:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    That reminds me of Something i read in a Wheels magazine once ColdFusion. One of the photographers wore a GTR shirt one year, and he was constantly on the receiving end of cat calls.

  15. spandau tango said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 6:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    1 slab a day??legless bogun is no threat to a yellow mini,half pissed bogun is.

  16. ColdFusion said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Bring back the GT-R, I say.

  17. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 6:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I like japanese you won’t get more bang for your buck in any other vechile plus there leuge’s ahead of any one in tecnology NOS has anyone ever told you who needs enemy’s when you have friends like you hhmm you know i have been holding back on you really i just wonder if you ever look at what you type before you type it.

  18. jolby wan said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Welcome to my town Corby Lived here most my life, rode the pushy round the mount 100 times, once on a skateboard (never again) and knew it like family by the time I got my P’s. Been to the race since God knows when.
    My advice- avoid the top on Sunday, it aint safe……

  19. nos said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 7:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    guess i just have strong opinions, and cant stand narrow-mindness.

  20. nos said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 7:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i’m tipping there is a lot of narrow-mindness on that hill. No room for homosexuals, women, people who dont like holdens or fords, people that dress different to bogans, people that care about the environment and people that drive yellow minis

  21. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 10:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    NOS you have no strong opinion’s on anything more than any one else it’s just that your EGO get’s in the way of what you type you are a aragont self cetrered moron who has no understanding about anything but your self i will tell you somthing mr important you and the rest of your ignaramersous lawyer types are what’s breaking down the fabric of society it’s people like you who think we can live in a perfect soceity so you put rules in place so that we all have to be a bunch of jesus’s or somthing well life’s not like that so when someone stuff’s up they are punished mercylessly instead of saying oh well a little human error not to matter everyone make’s mistake’s no they have to be made example’s out of you think you can say something to me that hasn’t been said before not a chance buddy truth is i probly have more in common with a monster or serial killer and i really don’t care though so BRING IT if you got somthing to say otherwise shut your pie hole because we are all sick of hearing how inportant or smart you think you are i don’t alway’s agree with the other’s but you really need to pick your fight’s and why don’t you back of on Holden Chick hey!

  22. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 8, 2009 at 10:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Also i might like to add that it’s greedy fat cat’s like yourself who are holding back the rest of the world people like you buy out a good idea and then shelf it so we all have to use inferior product’s until your satisfied you found a way to mass produce your the new idea at other’s expence and by that stage the world is so destroyed it doesn’t matter and were all stuffed anyway is money really worth your life is that it huh you people work like the Catholic church did centeries ag when Religion ruled the world greed of power destroyed them and your greed of money will destroy use all.

  23. nos said...
    Friday October 9, 2009 at 5:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    SD you are high on amphetamines you washed up bikie wannabe. do you hate your life? there is so much anger in your inane comments.

    If you read my comment properly you would see im all for a diverse society where you can go to the top of mount panorama and sink tinnies and watch the V8s and get along with everyone whether your white, black, gay, straight, male, female, drive a yellow mini or a yellow VL turbo.

  24. pw4 said...
    Friday October 9, 2009 at 9:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Many long years ago I an official on what was laughingly called “spectator control”at McPhillamy. My main contribution was pursuading people to stay off the actual track surface after a car had rolled (Tim Schenken in a works Alfa) and the yellow flags were waving. To be fair, they were genuinely concerned for his well-being, and when he climbed safely out of the car they climbed back over the spectator fences to continue their drinking. It got rougher in later years – but my tip would be to go there Saturday morning before everyone’s drunk, and Sunday arvo when half have fallen asleep (at least there’s fewer of them!). Actually, my tip would be not to go there at all if possible. And I own a MINI (with a roof) and there’s no way on earth you would find me up there in it!!

  25. Cyril said...
    Friday October 9, 2009 at 11:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    For those people who dont believe just how frienly we can be on the mountain,just look at the photo above,see how friendly is the man in the black with folded arms showing the chap in the blue top

  26. spandau tango said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 8:58 am Link to comment Report comment

    oh my god,that guy is indeed geting brown eyed whilst doing a one armed push up.

  27. Speed Demon said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 1:50 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So typical of you to choose ammo i give NoS Also i don’t drive a commodore i drive a Lancer yes i know alot of people say it’s a girls car but it was the best car i could afford at the time and i like it i also don’t assosiate with criminal type’s but i guess in your proffession they must be your best bud’s also you drive a french car need i say more.

  28. Speed Demon said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The people in the photo look like there having fun nothing else.

  29. Cyril said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Thats right Speed Demon,i call it having fun too.

  30. G.O.M. said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We are having a ball up on the top of the mountain thank you very much. I don’t think the yellow mini will last very long though. I’m not so confident about the driver either. Bring much bourbon to give away & you might just get out alive. Nah, it’s not really that bad. It’s a fairly placid crowd up here this year & many of the usual Dheads are absent or rapidly dealt with by the long arm of the law.

    Speed – Keep giving it to that w@nker while I’m away. Catch you all next week.

  31. jake said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    lol good chat guys, real ground breaking stuff, just the ticket for this forum! as someone who proudly owns a holden, and just as proudly owns a jaguar XJ (an old one) i love the bathurst race for what it is and wish i was back up the top this year. I love sinking the beers and watching the Falcodores fly round that stretch of incredible bitumen, just as much as i love the insane shriek of the f1’s. Not everyone is going to agree on that stuff but as we are all fans of motorsport we know everyone who has payed to get into the race is doing there bit. Top or bottom, bogan or box seat, and what is the point of being such small minded tossers and bringing that stuff out here, when people genuinely want to talk about a race, and an opinion. not have a blue.

  32. black dog said...
    Saturday October 10, 2009 at 11:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Jake thats ok – this isnt a blue,you want one of those check out the other blogs!!!
    Holdens and Jags ay! – so your a fan of
    bad handleing and unreliability!

    Gom-has has the ford camp thrown any burning toilet rolls at you yet??
    And did you get a look at the Vip pet foods Aston??in the gt race – did it soud good?

  33. Speed Demon said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 12:54 am Link to comment Report comment

    Jake i swear i only have it in for NOS because he think’s he’s better than everyone else if he wake’s up to himself and relises were all the same and all of our opinion’s matter and are just as vaild’s as even the Queen of England then maybe i’ll drop it personaly i think he just likes to argue even when he know’s he’s dead wrong as for the race go Holden ford how dare you put 4 cylinders in big car’s i don’t want to know about a car company that’s run by a bunch of Chimpanze’s oh sorry that’s to much intelegence a Baboon.

  34. Little Bits said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 2:09 am Link to comment Report comment

    young, enthusiastic fellow who’s never been to a V8 Supercar race in his life. And we’re making him camp on The Hill. And we’re sending him up there in a bright yellow Mini Cabrio, and a top hat and tails. Probably. He thinks he’s “going to the races”, you see, and he’s a bit simple.

    So allright then, Mr COrby ‘neer vnetured to the north shore’ panta, hows he doin?? Where’s the update, via Chuffgedi’s caravan satellite phone? Not impressed buddy! I bet even Fingers of Paddo has better info by now.

    Well ok,’fingers’ always has better info, but you know what I mean!! What’s with the Mini Cabrio thing? How’s the openometer going? Where’s the update?

    Australia could well look rather overtaken by bogan, AND RACIST, anytime soon! Ohhh, I’m kinda worried. (not really). . . . .

  35. Little Bits said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 2:10 am Link to comment Report comment

    Buggest sporting car event in the land, for the year, and Top Gear needs a voice. Where’s the new Top Gear Tent next year? Corby I can help you choose promo girls, and costumes etc etc. Call me!!!! You got my number!

  36. trevor said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to comment Report comment

    Every one seems think how wonderfull bathurst is,let me tell you what happened to me few years ago,I went to the race with my wife and kids in a bus with our church group,we were all watching in the stands saturday afternoon when i really wanted to drink a small bottle of beer so i told everyone that i was just going to the toilet,because our church doesnt look kindly to drinking alcohol i made my way to the top part of the track,where i could safely have a small bottle and nobody to see me,soon as i got of the shuttle bus i was able to purchase a bottle and drink it,as a non drinker i instantly felt light headed and must have passed out,when i woke up someone had zip tied a chain of beer cans to my testicles and nobody would lend me scissors or a knife to cut them off,so i ran down to my church group for help,as a result i was thrown out of the church and the wife is now married happily to the minister of the church.

  37. nos said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    speed demon i would choose a french car over a lancer anyday of the week. i dont even own a french car but if faced with the prospect of owning a ‘Lansa’ i would probably be as miserable as you also. GOM i hope you get killed by a flying tyre. over and out.

  38. Speed Demon said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 1:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    NOS in case you were wondering Cilo is French why else would it have a name like that Trevor mate that suck’s i thought priest wern’t allowed to get marrierd well maybe it was for the best maybe you will find a new wife who loves you for who you are not for what you belive

    NOS this is the reason you are retarded a lancer is way better than a rubbish Cilo i mean come on man for that money you could have bought a really decent car and what did you choose a crasont.

  39. black dog said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 6:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    LOL-Good one trevor

  40. black dog said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 6:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Holden 1,2,3 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO!

  41. CAPTAINSTIGGLES said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Off topic but Ben Collins is the stig. He is driving for Jack Daniels Racing in the Bathurst 1000. Just letting you know.

  42. Speed Demon said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Really i thought it was Skafie because he was retired and had time for Stigly duties also it would make sence.

  43. spandau tango said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    err,what was the topic?.how did you find that out captain,are you in bathurst.

  44. nos said...
    Sunday October 11, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i dont own a clio and never said i have. having said that, clios are way cooler than any lancer and i would rather have a camry than a lancer also. a camry simply says: “i want a cheap car that wont break down”. a lancer says “wait til i put a body kit and exhaust tip on this baby it’ll be looking like an evo in no time”. a clio just looks the part, it actually has european flair and design, but obviously you cant appreciate such things. i bet you live in a badly designed house in some no-name suburb somewhere and you run your heaters all winter and your airconditioning all summer even while your at work just so you can come home to a cool house.

  45. Bronson Chuffgedi said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 10:39 am Link to comment Report comment

    I hate the bogans on the top of the hill.
    I took my Camry up there on Saturday afternoon, looking for someone – anyone! – who had red wine instead of that ghastly VB beer, and I was roundly abused.
    I got out of there before someone bent my aerial into the shape of their bum.

  46. G.O.M. said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 11:22 am Link to comment Report comment

    Last point figjam, Black Dog, Speed, Spandau, HC34 & myself don’t agree on many things. It’s just that we all have something you don’t. RESPECT. We all respect others right to thier opinion without feeling the need to insult & degrade the other party. We share our opinions & when we get stuck into each other it is taken in the spirit it is intended, good fun stirring. Something that you are too immature to have learnt yet. Your behaviour is a disgrace to this website & everyone on it & involved with it. Quite honestly I’m rather surprised TGA hasn’t given you the boot as yet.

  47. G.O.M. said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 12:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Now why go & remove the fact that I proved this clown is a liar TGA?

    I will try that again then seeing as the point I made is not something that is objectionable material.
    In post 18 & 20 of Crash-test dummies, figjam called me an imbecile & the a doofus. Later in post 141, figjam claimed that I had been abusive to it first. This is clearly not the case as until post 18 of Crash test dummies I hadn’t even heard of this clown. FIGJAM IS A LIAR. I posted other proof as well but TGA seems to have deemed that as objectionable & removed the posts.

    Is that better TGA?

  48. G.O.M. said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 12:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What’s the matter figjam, can’t handle the same treatment you dish out to others. Personal attacks on people you don’t even know because your now a proven liar. You have attacked my disabled child & now my girlfriend. Real mature.

    Now how about an official reprimand for this clown TGA? Even if it means I have to cop one to.

  49. Top Gear Australia said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 1:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hi folks, time for a little update on the rules surrounding the blogs. As you know, we’ve worked hard to ensure this remains a free and open environment, and we love a heated debate, but there are certain ground rules – no swearing, no unsolicited links, no abuse or racism or personal attacks.
    The whole point of these things is that we all get heated up on certain topics and want to voice our opinions, and we know from experience you’ve all got them. But let’s keep it a little family friendly, OK?

  50. G.O.M. said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Thank you TGA. It’s about time. I was begining to think you guys were all on holidays.

  51. Speed Demon said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ok

  52. black dog said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 7:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Indeed.

  53. Lewi said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 7:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Its not barthurst ok?? Its pronounced Bathurst (B-a-th-urst)

  54. Shane said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 7:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh dear god, I hope some Australians educate the guys on how to pronounce Bathurst properly! Hearing how they pronounce it is like having chopsticks hammered into my ear drums.

  55. Jack said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 7:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Put a big sign on the front. My other car’s a Holden and I skipped my wedding for the race.
    They will carry you shoulder high for the entire weeknd.

  56. anthony, jamie said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 8:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    they prounenced bathurst completly wrong its not bar thirst 1 word bathurst

  57. since i was born said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 8:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’m only a kid, 16 and a bit. I’ve been to the great race 5 times and it ain’t that bad, sure they burn’t that big tree the year before the cops started going to the mountain. I’d say don’t worry just don’t go in wear all ford they’ll eat you alive…..

    GO Ford! Next year will win it

  58. since i was born said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 8:49 pm Link to comment Report comment

    haha yea on top gear right

  59. G.O.M. said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 10:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Anthony, jamie – Don’t Bathurst & Bar Thirst go together perfectly?

    They are poms, we have to give them a bit of leeway. I’d like to see them take on the mountain. I think a race between the 3 against the stig around the mountain would be fantastic.

  60. Anonymous said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 11:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    BARTH HURST????????? Geez mate! Yer a grongo! There’s no letter R in Bath. It’s a hard A, ie “BATHUST”. Say it quick!

  61. Anonymous said...
    Monday October 12, 2009 at 11:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    that should be “drongo”.

  62. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 12:00 am Link to comment Report comment

    Poms don’t take baths so they don’t know how to say it properly.

  63. black dog said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 1:37 am Link to comment Report comment

    Is the blower really that loud?

  64. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 1:38 am Link to comment Report comment

    Hahaha my brother said the same thing but to be fair easten states people pronounce or footy clash as Darby when it is actully pronounced d.e.r.b.y so give them a little slack it’s ok to get thing’s wrong once and a while

    Also a question for Stephen Corby how did your mate go on the Hill i bet he had a great time and your plan backfired that would be somthing to talk about hey.

  65. Sienna said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 9:27 am Link to comment Report comment

    The pronunication for the Vauxhall Bathurst is not BATH….HURST as in to have a bath. It is one word BATHURST ….get it right

  66. LEVIN said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 9:30 am Link to comment Report comment

    please pronounce Bathurst correctly – it is not BARTH HURST. The Bath is not as in to have a bath. It is correctly pronounced Bathurst – please get it right for next series.

  67. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 12:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Gee you are a fussy lot aren’t you. Not one thing to add to the forum ever, but the moment TG mispronounce a word you are all over it. At the end of the day, who gives a stuff? You knew what they meant didn’t you?

  68. ROLY said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 12:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well we are a fussy lot us Aussie’s !!
    We would of done some research first to make sure you didn’t look like complete dicks as you did last night on australian tv’s !
    The name Bathurst emits something very special to any Australian that has an interest in motor racing. We were pissing ourselves laughing every time you mentioned the word in the Vauxhall test.

  69. Bemused said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 12:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As an Australian I found your pronunciation of Bathurst odd. In Australia we pronounce it Bath as in Cath hurst and not Barthurst.

  70. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Easy to see you lot don’t come on here at all for anything or you would know that I am about the most frequent poster on this forum & that I’m an aussie that just spent the weekend on the top of the mountain cheering on the Holden brigade. Obviously you didn’t even read the previous comments I made here or you would have seen me paying out on the poms. Honestly, it’s a word. Get over it.

  71. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    NOS you can’t say that i’m sure TGA will boot thwm from the frm

  72. nos said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    G.O.M: Great Oaf, Male

    you probably dont know what oaf means and probably don’t own a dictionary either but just nod your head and agree when you read this and you’ll be on the right track ;)

  73. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    NOS we not allowed to rag on each other any more

  74. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Go to post 49

  75. Stephen Corby said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    “Well we are a fussy lot us Aussie’s !!
    We would of done some research first to make sure you didn’t look like complete dicks as you did last night on australian tv’s!”

    Tee hee. The Poms only make the show for, ohh, say 92 countries, and somehow I don’t think they did research how we might say Bathurst. Of course there is a whole argument that we’re using a language they invented and that, therefore, our accent must be wrong. But I’d say they base their pronunciation on the way they say “Bath”, the historic, world heritage listed town that is, realistically, a million miles from Bathurst.
    They say it “Baaaarth”, so the urst bit would make sense, to them. I must admit I winced hearing it, but all Poms probably say it that way.
    As to our intrepid reporter, well, yes, he did survive, as did the yellow Mini. It seems the Hill has been tamed somewhat by a massive police presence since I was last there. It’s all a bit family friendly now, as long as your family is the Osbornes.
    What a shame.

  76. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hah i told you he would have a good time well there is always next time to implent some evil maybe you will have to be a bit more creative.

  77. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    NOS not touching it with a ten foot pole i said i’d drop it so i will drop it i suggest you do the same.

  78. nos said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    dont let*

  79. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    that’s a personal attack so i’m not responding to it no is the answer though i don’t care how someone pronounce’s it you eastern stater’s talk diffrently anyway you say daarbiee that’s a over exageration of it but it’s actully said derby de rb y you also say Arrbllnnyy in stead of Albany like Al ba ny you see we all think that is halarious in the west.

  80. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Speed – I did have a ball. Sat just up from the cutting drinking JD for most of the time. Good crowd & very little problems. Cops were being a bit over the top this year though & the rain was a pain in the backside but other than that it was fantastic.

  81. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yeah i saw man how weak of him picking on people’s disability’s is just not cool.

  82. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Insults are not wit. Now knock it off before you cost everyone a good forum.

  83. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Time’s like that i wish i did live over east you get all the best stuff good on Holden. it’s been like 4 years or somthing.

  84. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Don’t worry G.O.M. TGA just went get lunch and some coffee when they get back and see that say goodbye to his Post’s.

  85. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 2:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’m a Victorian stuck in WA Speed. I flew over with a couple of mates, stayed at the old man’s in Sydney then we all drove up on the Wednesday & camped on the mountain. Back at the old man’s now, flying back to Perth tonight.

    Been living in WA for about 18yrs now. When I first go over here one of the first things I was told is that W.A. stands for Wait Awhile. It will happen here eventually, you just have to Wait Awhile. :)

  86. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yeah sound’s about right i mean it’s nice over here and plenty of work going around but like you said maybe we will be known as the Patient state.

  87. Top Gear Australia said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Seriously guys, I HATE deleting posts, it goes against everything that’s good about blogs and open chat. Post on the topic, or disagree with other posters, but please, no petty attacks on each other.

  88. Top Gear Australia said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh, and the reason we don’t demand people register is because we like to encourage everyone to comment, without having to go through some painful registration or filtering process. Don’t ruin it for all.

  89. Earth Lover said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 4:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Was there some taxi racing on at the weekend? Missed it because I had to spend more hours than planned putting back together bodies injured by People thinking it’s Ok to use the roads around Melbourne the same way. I love racing, love sport, love cars. Hate the needless injuries and damage to the environment.
    TGA, only having a go at the people that caused the injuries I had to fix, not every Commodore and Falcon driver….. Oh go on then, I’m having at go at everybody.

  90. trevor said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 8:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Was there something wrong with my post tga,i just wish i hadnt gone to bathurst,or maybe it was the beer?

  91. G.O.M. said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 9:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Your still up there Trevor. Gave me a good chuckle your post did. How could you not wish to have gone to Bathurst? The only ones I know that wish they weren’t there are Ford fans.

  92. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 13, 2009 at 10:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Trev do you ever look back on that happend and just laugh i think it’s funny that Stephen Corby’s backfired i suspected that would happen i wonder if Chesta will thank Steve for the experiance.

  93. trevor said...
    Wednesday October 14, 2009 at 6:43 pm Link to comment Report comment

    not realy speed demon,at the time my main concern was that my nuts might fall of,as you probably know the same method is used on sheep and cattle ,as i stood there in front of the stands yelling “somebody help me before my nuts fall off”still gives me nightmares,and i often wonder how things would have been if we had gone to the flower show in canberra instead.

  94. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 15, 2009 at 5:43 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yes that would definatley be a worry the good thing is it didn’t happen but try to see it from the other person’s perspective if you saw me with beer can’s ellasticted to my groin yell “Help me before my nut’s fall off” and you had had a few you would probly burst out laughing i’m not saying what they did was right but not every body is like that is what i’m trying to say. at least you can say it was Memorable.

  95. Speed Demon said...
    Saturday October 17, 2009 at 6:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    All right time for smothing New to talk about
    I’n my spare time at work i have read the Top Gear magazine and set myself a challenge the challenge was to find the best car money could buy for under $20,000 the findings were
    1.$19,000-Hyayndai Elantra moost power to weight best warranty option’s this was a shock to me i didn’t want to say a Hyandai was a good car to drive but those are the fact’s
    2.-$18,990-Ford Fiesta – this was my choice but the warranty just couldn’t compare plus the Elantra was bigger had a bigger motor and had more option’s
    3.-came in as the Hyandai I.30 again a excellent power to weight ratio great warranty it is peobly why Hyandai dominate’s the affordable car market because they can suppy the otion’s for the price
    4.-Nissan Tida- For $18,490 you get a reasnobale car the power to weight is good the car look’s like your girlfriend had been on the ice cream diet option wise not to bad it’s one of those car’s that get’s the job done nothing else
    5.-On paper i would say the Misibishi colt for $16,490 it’s stats are reasnobale like the tida it has alot of space options are good but i have sat in one in real life and they are kinda set up like a weird the hand brake is on the floor it seems to only come in auto with a colom shifter and isn’t very comftable if you want one of these just go buy a Barina there better all round. i would love to hear your comment’s on my finding’s and what you think.

  96. spandau tango said...
    Saturday October 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    speedo ,i would wait 6 months,untill the cars such as hyundai i20 arrives,but the best small car by far is the kia soul,toyota yaris is good and the mini is just too expensive,if the base mini was under $20000 it would be the highes seller in the world.

  97. Little Bits said...
    Saturday October 17, 2009 at 7:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh hey, Trevor, the flower show in Canberra is lovely. I went one year with a chick. It was real, um, nice. Have the photos to prove it. She broke up with me that weekend too, but we got back together once we left Canberra.

  98. Little Bits said...
    Saturday October 17, 2009 at 8:42 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hey Top Gear Australia, no not you Chuffgedi, you camry-drivin moron. . .
    When you’re finished getting pissed on VB with the lads on the hill, how about a new blog post?!
    How’s this one? I hope I don’t encourage Earthy, but it’s from treehugger.com

    http://www.treehugger.com  /files/2009/10/three-whe elers-approved-funding-do e.php

    Will we be sharing the roads with three-wheeled cars any time soon? Or is it just a Californian thing?! ( PS. I should apply for a job here, at Top Gear I mean, not California).

  99. black dog said...
    Sunday October 18, 2009 at 1:28 am Link to comment Report comment

    So
    New hydis and tidas a good value??!!!
    I think this post has gone to hell!!

  100. Conman said...
    Sunday October 18, 2009 at 1:40 am Link to comment Report comment

    Treehugger.com?
    Tida & Hyundai?
    People complaining about how a word is pronounced?

    I thought this was a car blog!!

  101. Trevor said...
    Sunday October 18, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    Little Bits,im glad you got back together after the floriart in canberra,the main reason our church group decided to go to bathurst insted the floriart was because i have a severe reaction to bee stings,the last time was a very nasty situation,we went to a show and shine competition ,i managed to drink a can of BV orVB i cant remember which, behind the sheds,straight after that we were admiring a immaculate LX torana V8 when a bee stung me,i instantly puked all over the engine bay,i tried to get away but i got hung up on the mirror,somebody grapped me from behind and started booting in the arse,with every boot a spray of vomet flew in thru the drivers side window,i was removed from the show and told not to return again.

  102. Torana Man said...
    Sunday October 18, 2009 at 8:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Trevor you jerk,so you are that Ahole,you also tried to hit on my misus,i dont care about that but when you spewed all over my fu##$% torana did it,if i ever see you again im going to do more to you then stick my boot up your a#$%$

  103. ColdFusion said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’ve never been to the Bathurst 1000, but do I want to go? No thanks.

  104. Run for cover said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 3:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If I was going to give anyone some sound advise when attempting the Bathurst bloodbath…. I would suggest staying home and watching it on T.V. or taking someone else’s car. I remember my first Bathurst weekend. I was with a group of mates and we all had been to canberra to sample Chick Henrys little burnout spectacular the year before and survived that, so we figured Bathurst would be a walk in the park. Well were we wrong. The first night we were there a combi van was set upon by up to 30 blokes and tipped over then they started on a mates car but luckly we out numbered them and they quickly moved onto the next camp. About 30 mins later a police patrol car turned up and 2 officers got out, only to have potatoes thrown at them and their car set upon by the ruley crowd. We couldnt believe this was happening at our most prestiege motor race. Anyway to cut a long story short we stayed the weekend packed up our shit as soon as the race finished and now every year since then we all get together and watch in comfort and safety of our own home.

  105. Speed Demon said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 6:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’m suprised no one has mentioned the Suzuki swift as a contender for money for value car it was up there i just forgot about it the rules of the challenge were 0-$20,000 no more if it was one dollar more it didn’t count i think the next challenge will be $20,000 to $30,000 but it can’t break the bank.

  106. spandau tango said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 7:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Annemarie,where have you gone???????????

  107. spandau tango said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 7:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i test drove the swift,it felt a bit clumsy.

  108. spandau tango said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    here are my favourites,sub 20k 1.5 yaris,sub30k kia soul diesel,sub 40k mini diesel and mini turbo,then i would like to have a falcon ute v8 and a vw kombi/tranporter and a 911.

  109. Little Bits said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 8:11 pm Link to comment Report comment

    spandex you’re talking to yourself again.

    annemarie probably left when the aussie bogans moved in. Shame really, she wasn’t bad.

  110. Little Bits said...
    Monday October 19, 2009 at 8:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Spandex why aren’t you watching top gear, like all good disciples? Ok I admit, I’m in the ‘office’, so just listening to Jeremy’s annoying voice. But it is a repeat. . . . .

  111. Conman said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 1:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It wasn’t even a whole episode they repeated. It was just edited bits of other episodes. What a disgrace.

    I went to the 1000 last year but had the good sense to stay of the top of the mountain. I had a fantastic time & would reccomend it to anyone. I stayed on the top in 2005. Never again. If I were to go back up there at night I really would be carrying a gun. Even then I wouldn’t feel safe I don’t think.

  112. black dog said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yep – i actually turned tg off last night as i have all those episodes on dvd!!

  113. Annemarie said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh, I’m here alright, Spandissimo, it’s just that the only time I’ve been to Bathurst I spent most of my time on the back of 1 hp, and I don’t think we made it to the top of that particular mountain, so basically I’m waiting for Corbs to come up with something closer to my heart, such as philosophizing on whether the Clarkson 3 will represent Britain in the Eurovision Song Contest.

    You WILL be there, with me, in Norway, won’t you? Little Bits, you’re welcome to come along, as there will be two or three other girls apart from me.

  114. Little Bits said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 7:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’ve never been to Norway before. It might be fun. I have a pornstar moustache now though, annemarie. Sure you can cope? I might go all ‘european’ on you!

  115. Speed Demon said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 7:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Does that mean Big and Hairy.

  116. Little Bits said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    You’re a funny man, Speed Demon. No really, I mean that. Big and hairy my arse.

  117. spandau tango said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hi annie,yes im ready and packed,glad to hear you have everything organised at your end,as i have a friend who also wants to go to eurovision,his divorsed few years ago due to some bad luck in bathurst and some health issues at a show and shine competition,he also seems to have a closet drinking problem,and wants to remarry as soon as possible.

  118. Annemarie said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 10:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Spandau, sounds like the ESC is the place to be for your friend!

    A pornstar moustache seems okay to me, Lil’ Bits, although I can’t speak for the Norwegian population at large. Most European porn comes from Sweden.
    That moustache would be on your upper lip, right?

  119. Little Bits said...
    Tuesday October 20, 2009 at 11:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    You got it, baby!

  120. Anonymous said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 2:52 am Link to comment Report comment

    FIGJAM!

  121. Annemarie said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 2:55 am Link to comment Report comment

    Anonymous is me, Lil’ Bits; don’t know why my name got deleted this time. Anyway, I’ve been pondering on the meaning of “going all European on you” all day (not) and have decided to let you do the talking again, because what MY mind comes up with would make a Swede blush, and that can’t be what you meant, knowing you. Get my drift?

  122. Thommo said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 3:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Shane Warne for Top-Gear – you must be joking, he can barely rub two words together – all gel and no substance.

  123. Carole said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 4:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Shane Warne for Top Gear Australia, Please don’t!!! TG Oz should be locked up in a dark cellar, tke key melted down and the door bricked up. Just give us more of the real TG and we’ll be happy.

  124. spandau tango said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 9:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this morning on the today show Carl Stefaspastic said TG might be going to channel nine.Annie,holdendripo was using anonymous as well,annie tell me your not holdendrippo.im sure little one will shave off his fluff if thats the case.

  125. Annemarie said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 10:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Holden who? Or what? Nope, wasn’t me, only on the occasion of post 120.
    Lil’ Bits had better shave anyway if he intends to come to the ESC with us. The only ones who like it hairy there are the lads.

    And what’s with Shane Warne? What has he done that makes him a: so popular and b: a potential TGA presenter? Last time I read about him, his name was linked to cricket. Or was it golf?

  126. holden chick34 said...
    Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 11:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hey spandex ballarina boy my post name was deleted for some reason,but anyway here’s the actual facts on holden n what i found out was right all along.listen up.james alexander holden was a man who immigrated from staffodshire england in 1852.he chose to become part of the service industry so he set himself up as a leather worker and saddle maker.in latter part of the 19th century he handed the business over to his son henry n good friend carriage maker henry frost.his grandson later came into the buisness in early 1900’s.as holden n frost ltd the company repaired and built horse drawn carriages n coaches.it also did repair work on car upholstery and was soon manufacturing hoods and side curtains for cars.frost died in 1909 n henry holden bought his shares in the buisness.1913,holden n frost began production of complete motorcycle sidecar bodies and just one year later the company took a big step and produced its first complete custom made car body.1908 in USA general motors corperation was founded by william crapo durant.the new company grew at a fast rate using the buick company as its industrial base and buying up a string of other auto mobile manufacturing firms as well as component suppliers.its early shopping spree netted it oldsmobile,cadillac,oakla nd later named pontiac plus several other lesser known marques.in 1911 the gm export company appointed a field rep to oz based in sydney.the first gm cars arrived just before ww1.during war stricken years the paths of both company’s crossed for the first time.the fed govenment introduced trade restrictions that included a covenant on the number of complete motor cars that could be imported.only 1 complete car could now be imported for every three chassis,a rule which had a secondary aim of keeping oz capital within oz.the early 1920’s saw production line in operation,by 1924 holdens woodville plant was opened with 1 of the most modern production lines in the world.in that year the company produced a staggering 65 body styles and managed a total output of 22,150 units,holden’s was now easily the country’s biggest body builder-in fact its output represented about half of all local production.holden’s had become the sole body supplier to the gm export company.in late 20’s the lion and stone badge was first used.it represented the legend of a man’s invention of the wheel,which supposedly took place after a caveman watched the lion rolling a stone under its paw.gm added vauxall n adam opel to its collection.in 1926 gm oz was formed with head quarters in collins street melbourne all parts for local cars were perchased from oz sppliers.gma needed holden car bodies to survive the depression so by way of solution the two companies joined as GENERAL MOTORS HOLDENS LTD. there you have it people holden was born in australia and gm would be nothing without holden.so anyone who says holden is not australian i’ll just laugh in your face cause i know better.the information came from magazine holden in australia.

  127. Trevor said...
    Thursday October 22, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to comment Report comment

    Spandau,i will not go to eurovision in Norway with you and Little Bits ever,when you projected pictures of me against the wall behind the pulpett from my unfortunate incident in bathurst right in front of the congrecation ended our friendship.

  128. Jensen71 said...
    Thursday October 22, 2009 at 10:00 am Link to comment Report comment

    Not Warne. I know it may only be a rumour but please do not underestimate the poor standing that Warne is held by many in Oz. He may be a great cricketer and own fast cars but he is of poor character and his very public antics have disgusted many people. I love TG but if he co-hosts the show, I WILL TURN OFF. Sorry, just couldn’t stomach it.
    GG

  129. holden chick34 said...
    Thursday October 22, 2009 at 12:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    TGA give my other half ago for job with you guys.hes done rally driving,has been old school sparky since he was 16 is now 39 has been around cars his whole life his dad is a mechanic.warney’s got little to no experience with cars sorry guys he’s a show pony.

  130. Speed Demon said...
    Thursday October 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I would be happy to see brendon fevlola on there over warnee what does wanre enen know about cars anyway i dont even know why people have been getting angry at fev for anyway we all get drunk and stupid so why are we punishing him for it.

  131. Wilko said...
    Thursday October 22, 2009 at 11:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I agree with everyones comments here…. No Bloody Warney… like I said on Facebook he cant offer anything except how to root in ute or text while driving.
    So he owns a flash car, but given the income he earns I would I have a small suburb of flash and fast cars.
    Warneys a Ball sports Identity, and has a very bad public profile, my wife has told me that she refuses to watch him if he gets the job…… Mmmmmm wait a minute, thinking out loud ” I could watch Top Gear without interuption” Mmmmmm ….
    Nah she nag me and neither of us will get to watch it…. sorry guys bad bad call.

  132. holden chick34 said...
    Friday October 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    what no comment on my holden post?

  133. spandau tango said...
    Friday October 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry h drippo but thats all old news,hope you didnt spend too much time on it,and where is gom gone?it think hes using an other name drippo.

  134. G.O.M. said...
    Saturday October 24, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to comment Report comment

    I’m dealing with some family problems at the moment. I read, not type. You wouldn’t like what I had to say. My mood is very dark & aggressive, even for me.

  135. holden chick34 said...
    Saturday October 24, 2009 at 10:47 am Link to comment Report comment

    hope everything is ok G.O.M.most of us have families so we know what its like to put family 1st everything else 2nd.

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